Trump done? Hillary #45?
I’ll sum up my thoughts thusly – If we disqualify everybody who has said rude, crude stuff in private from seeking public office, it will be damn difficult to find anybody to run for anything. On the other hand, if we disqualify everybody who has exposed national secrets via their own private email server, it would eliminate one person. Trump is a narcissistic big talker, HRC is literally dangerous resulting in multiple deaths based on her decisions (or lack thereof).
Social media has been filled overnight with comments about the latest scandals hampering both presidential candidates. So here’s an open thread to discuss.
HRC speeches released via hack of John Podesta’s email – Hillary speeches released
Trump caught making crude comments on tape – Trump caught on tape
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Are you talking about Benghazi? I don’t understand why Republicans focus on this when there are so many real HRC issues to speak about, not one of your investigations could implicate her, and it’s a fact that life as an ambassador was much more dangerous under Bush. Get over Benghazi! It helped you find your stupid email issue, now move on, talking about Benghazi just makes it less likely I’ll listen to you when you actually have a scandal for me.
Not just Benghazi. Libya. Russia Reset. Iran…so many bad decisions leading to death, destruction and instability.
Even Israel has said that the Nuclear Deal with Iran has made us safer, the overall Libya campaign has definitely been a mess but that situation was already a mess, Quaddafi was going to either be overthrown or commit genocide and Hillary and Obama would have been blamed for not doing anything. The Russian Reset was another failure, but if you remember it began with Bush, that was a failure of our entire foreign policy establishment. If you still blame Hillary, fine I understand that she was the Secretary of state, it’s her show. But she has decades of experience working in the world, she has negotiated cease fires between Israel and Palestine, she brought down the sanctions on Iran that brought them to the table. She knows how to pull the levers of global politics. Her opponent, on the other hand, has demonstrated no knowledge about global affairs, thinks he’s an expert because he watches TV, and has as chief foreign policy consultant a man who is a fixture on Russian TV. The choice is clear. Also if you are talking about Benghazi, please stop
The irony is; Bill Clinton did some inappropriate things back in the day, but things are different now, and they are different partly because of the indignant outrage of Republicans pursuing his issues. We are less tolerant of such behavior now, thanks in part to Ken Starr, et al.
Trump says rude, crude stuff in public when the spotlight is on him, so what’s your point about such private talk disqualifying someone from seeking office?
Normalizing misogyny by equating it with rude and crude?
I was right. The objective is normalizing misogyny.
“When he does his talking, he doesn’t go tiptoeing around all those thousands of rules of political correctness” – Mike Pence in response to Trump’s private remark:
“… when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p—-. You can do anything.”
Funny thing…this is the only thing Trump has said that I absolutely, without question, unequivocally believe to be the truth. He’s a pig and he knows it…his wife (3rd) and kids (including daughters) know it, too. The media knew about it but didn’t want to upset the gravy train without some real meat behind the fact. I guess we will see who still stands behind this freak after this weekend and what that will say about their character; it’s pretty apparent what Trumps is.
Senators and governors don’t get to where they’re at and stay there without good political instincts and a sense of self-preservation. I think, the election being a month away, candidates like Ayotte will have to immediately start putting distance between themselves and Trump, should Trump win the next debate like he did the first.
I was late on this too, Ayotte has already cast off from the Trump campaign.
“I will not be voting for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton and instead will be writing in Governor Pence for president on Election Day.” — Kelly Ayotte
Yeah, Mike Pence, the self-server seeking to normalize misogyny—see quote above.
“The $916 million loss that Donald Trump reported on his 1995 income taxes was extraordinary. As Alan Cole from the conservative Tax Foundation notes, total net operating losses claimed on all individual income tax returns in 1995 amounted to $49.3 billion. That is, in that year, Trump claimed nearly 2% of all the net operating losses on individual tax returns in the entire country.”
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tax-returns-estate-taxes-hillary-clinton-2016-10
Someone using routine tax code provisions to reduce taxes qualifies as “genius” in the GOP.
That most conservatives refuse to publicly distance themselves from Trump’s recklessness makes the word ‘conservative” useless as a description of what they claim is their governing philosophy.
Agreed. I wonder how Christian conservatives will ever live down their endorsement for Trump. From the start he was the antithesis of anything remotely personified by Christian values. Divorcee, casino owner, shady business dealings, and now self described philanderer and serial molester. How do you regain any credibility from this point forward? The stain from being a Trump backer is one that will always stay with you.
Live it down? Easy. These are people that have shown the don’t remember anything for more than a week.
Credibility? People that believe the Bible literal and inerrant didn’t have any credibility to lose in the first place.
No. This is not “rude, crude stuff.” This is joking and bragging about sexual assault. He thinks he can get away with it because he’s famous? What would he try to get away with as president? It’s terrifying. How could I possibly protect my wife or sister from a predatory president?
Hillary will win this round, but at least we can get Gary Johnson over 5% for the sake of our future.
Yes Trump is done and the GOP is going down with him. The party needs to include women if it is to survive, and because of Trump and his apologists like Bart women will run away from the GOP like it was on fire, to the extent they aren’t already.
Lady T, I am not a Trump ‘apologist’. Just in case you missed it, here is my quote about him to open this thread, “Trump is a narcissistic big talker…”.
But I do expect some semblance of balance when analyzing candidates. This is not happening as it seems deplorable comments are far worse than detrimental, destructive actions in the minds of far too many sanctimonious GOPers.
We are left with 2 choices for president neither of whom are ideal. But there are only two so we all have to decide between them or punt as it seems many establishment GOPers have chosen to do. I choose to vote.
I’ve said it all along, Trump is a Clinton plant. They had no idea he would get the nomination. He was just intended to call out the base for being….well, themselves.
Sanders vs. Rubio
Now there’s a choice that could have made a difference. Many of us believe this country is in dire straits, yet we’re discussing whether or not it’s appropriate to say “pussy” on CNN.
I’m afraid, I’m very afraid.
Trump said some stupid male stuff to Billy Bush (W’s cousin, of change the 2000 election fame) 16 years ago that was not political at the time and has nothing to do with the current election. No money changed hands, no lives lost as a result, nada, zip. Now Bush is back to help his family screw with another presidential election, ’cause they don’t like the things Trump said to Jeb on the way to trouncing him during the primary. And boy, Trump’s locker room comments 16 years ago are all we’ve heard about for two day!
But no big deal that Hillary collected at least $26.1 million in speaking fees in the last 2-3 years, getting ready to run for prez. Among other gems, in a 2013 talk to Brazilian bankers, she said her “dream” was “a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders”. She asked her audience to think of what doubling American trade with Latin America “would mean for everybody in this room.” In a speech at a Goldman Sachs event, Clinton said presidential candidates “need the financial backing of Wall Street to mount a campaign”, and spoke of the “need to include Wall Street perspectives in financial reform.”
No big deal that she also told the National Multifamily Housing Council that she has “both a public and a private position” in political dealings. She said “If everybody’s watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous to say the least.” In other words, tell the stupid public lies about your “private position” on issues — tell them what they want to hear, then do whatever you want.
Trump is a blowhard and I don’t like every stupid thing he has said over his lifetime – heck, I don’t even know them all. But weigh the things that have come out the last day or so — which one should be getting all the media attention right now? Trump being a macho jerk 16 years ago, or Clinton’s huge money changing hands and corruption connected with the current presidential campaign? The media is trying to destroy him, and it looks like they have a high-stakes backroom deal of their own with her.
First off, he isn’t just being a macho jerk, he is joking about sexual assault, he is describing behavior that he’s been accused of in the past. So looking it as just crude language is missing the point of why people are outraged. On the other hand Hillary Clinton is describing being a politician.
You know why we finally reached a budget deal? Because Republicans and Democrats had public and private positions that allowed them to speak openly without having to worry about public outrage over a suggestion that was considered for maybe a second.
You know who’s going to have the understanding of Wall Street to fix what’s wrong with it? Someone who works on Wall Street. obviously it has to be the right person, but If you look at history many of our most important deals and biggest steps forward for Equality were done behind close doors.
These recordings are more evidence that Hillary understands how the world works. she may not have grand vision to remake the world. But she understands what it takes and knows to ignore short sighted idealists
I’ve read that it was 2005, eleven years ago.
Benevolus, you’re right. I double-checked the reporting, and Billy Bush said it was 2005. But Whatsben, eleven years *still* is not anywhere near current, so the term “he is describing” does not apply. From what I saw on the news this evening, he is currently quite apologetic for whatever he said *privately* eleven years ago and has issued a public apology either yesterday or today. And maybe that’s how Hillary’s world works, but in the real world she’s got some ‘splainin’ to do.
Neither candidate would have been my first choice, but we are where we are. I’m just sick of the total media focus being on destroying Trump at any cost. Next thing we know, they’ll drag up something he did as a teenager and splash it all over the news as justification for voting against him. Yet at the same time they rake over something stupid private citizen Trump said over a decade ago, they totally ignore, or at most give faint critique of Hillary’s recklessness with the nation’s security when she was Secty of State, third in line to the presidency.
This is an important election and the public needs unbiased reporting from the Fourth Estate on *current* facts and issues, along with each candidate’s position on these matters of governance. Voters have to hold their nose and vote for one of these people, for heaven’s sake. The circus needs to fold up its tent and leave town. If there are any grownups in the media today, they need to step in and do their public service in educating all of us about today’s circumstances and factual info on the serious issues at hand.
Sally Forth
Ok, yeah you’re probably right, he’s matured a lot since he was 59 years old, the 60’s is when most people really figure stuff out. Also, I’m not sure what your issue is with the word “describing” is, as his claims corroborate with the accusations of sexual assault that have made against him over the last several decades, down to the frickin tic tacs.
Furthermore I think that any kind of equivalence between Clinton’s scandals and Trump’s is absurd. The man has left a wake of scammed shareholders and students, mob ties (sure, everyone involved with New York real estate has mob ties, but maybe that means NY real estate tycoons aren’t people we want be president), and an insane amount of conflict of interest (business interests all over the world, with his only plan at this point is to give over control to his children. Which, contrary to what he seemingly believes is not a blind trust.).
How on earth is this man qualified to be President? He has never demonstrated a belief in anything other then himself, do you see any evidence of compassion from him? Do you see any interest from him in understanding the ins and outs of any kind of policy? Any piece of foreign or domestic policy? By all accounts he can’t be bothered with policy briefs.
He says he’ll appoint the best people, but he can’t even get his own campaign team right, is Conway in charge? Ailes? Kushner? How is he going to run the executive branch when he can’t even put togather a campaign?
Yeah Hillary made a few mistakes, and screwed some stuff up (give me a Secretary of State who hasn’t) but to say that she hasn’t been held accountable is also absurd. She has had every decision she’s made held under a microscope since her husband ran for President. Her emails have been combed through by every journalist in the country. Most of the most damning emails were reported on by the Times and Post.
Despite that, her opponents have been unable to answer one question despite multiple opportunities: Name an instance when Hillary did something for monetary gains and not for our best interest. Even Bernie changed the subject when asked. Don’t act like these are two equally capable people.
One thought though: what possessed that little Bush weasel to tape Trump 11 years ago? In hopes of a moment like this? Imagine him keeping the micro cassette in his sock drawer for allllllll these years, waiting, hoping for an opportunity to redeem his worthless , loser life. Can you imagine him giggling like a teenage girl fishing out that tape and selling it to Hilly for 100k?
Trump is, indeed, a pig. No question. But all of the folks doing any-damn-thing to derail him is pretty bad.
No, it’s not bad. Trump is a clear and present danger.
Come on, don’t you think that if Billy Bush recorded this on purpose, he’d have given the tape to his first cousin Jeb! waaaaaaay back during primary season?
You’re saying that the tape was accidentallyyyyyyy recorded!?!?!?
I hope it is true that Jeb! had something to do with this. That would be such a perfect lesson in political payback.
Yep! Hell hath no fury like a Bush scorned!
Trump supporters, you can never scrub the stink off. Remember that. Your future lives, respect from your peers and family, your relationship with the women in your life will be forever tainted.
You can say the same thing, verbatim, about Hilly , with her unrelenting abuse of The Preditor’s victims.
I imagine both sides will need a little scrubbing if tonight’s debate devolves into the sewer scrum many are predicting.
Dude please don’t say “taint.”
I’m not advocating for either candidate’s past stupidity — not then non-politician Trump’s locker room talk from 2005, nor then politician Hillary’s calling young blacks “super predators” in 1996. I am advocating for a focus on now and the huge problems facing our country. The media industry runs the public conversation, and they need to stop majoring in minors. On a scale of one to ten, things said by either candidate in private conversations over ten years ago rate about a -20 or lower in comparison to current, urgent issues.
I am sick of tabloid-style, salacious political coverage. The “Hey, look over here!” Kardashian mentality in covering a serious presidential race is damaging to the people of this country and subsequently the world.
Why are we not having intense coverage and discussion of what FBI Director Comey said: Sep 27, 2016 – FBI Director James Comey told U.S. Senators a “terrorist diaspora” is headed for Western Europe and the U.S…. FBI director warns “They’re setting up new hives.”…. out of the Islamic Caliphate are going to come hundreds of very, very dangerous people. They will not all die on the battlefield in Syria and Iraq. There will be a terrorist diaspora sometime in the next two to five years like we’ve never seen before.” “We must prepare ourselves and our allies particularly in western Europe to confront that threat because when ISIL is reduced to an insurgency and those killers flow out they will try to come to western Europe and try to come here to kill innocent people.” He noted fighting terrorism is the FBI’s No. 1 priority but the “the terrorist threat against the United States remains persistent and acute.”
Why isn’t the media industry’s hair on fire about this, instead of burying it under tabloid journalism? This is current, this is serious. Whoever is elected president will have to protect our nation, yet we are talking about an old, underhanded recording from Bush and Access Hollywood???
In addition, why aren’t they fanning public outrage over our outrageous national debt? About the current disintegration of Obamacare and the millions of Americans who are caught in the eye of that storm, *right now*? About current mass migrations into the U.S., where the laws as written will work – but are not being enforced and assimilation not happening? U.S. laws ask that immigrants come through a port of entry and follow U.S. laws — why has Washington tied the hands of the Border Patrol and the Dept. of Immigration & Naturalization from simply enforcing the law? What about the worries of either domestic or foreign cyber tampering with American elections, and the need for a paper trail of individual ballot printouts, for hard-copy counting if needed?
Serious questions, questions, questions. And I’m sure anyone reading this could add additional serious questions and issues to this list. At this critical time in our nation’s history, surely we can have a public dialogue about things that are truly high priority – and get over the tabloid mentality. The media entertainment industry should be ashamed of itself for their role in dumbing down political discourse.
If Trump had any actual positions on anything-anything!-we could discuss them, but he doesn’t. His positions are about what you would expect of a 14 year old, which is apparently when he stopped maturing.
If you want to talk about the media’s lack of focus on issues, look no further then Donald. It’s kind of hard to have a discussion about Terrorism when one of the candidates “wants to keep it a secret”. It’s hard to have a discussion about immigration when one of the candidates has positions from all over the place and has only been consistent on that stupid wall.
How are you going to talk about the deficit when Trumps tax plans are the least serious proposals we’ve ever seen, I dare you to find any tax expert who thinks his plan is a good idea.
Trump has repeatedly taken the political discourse into the gutter. Listen to him speak at his rally’s, until his campaign forced a promoter in front of him. He couldn’t complete a single coherent thought about policy.
Trump thinks that the only thing you do as President is to negotiate trade deals, deals which he doesn’t seem to understand.
Hillary on the other hand has written white sheet after white sheet on these issues, it takes hours to read everything she’s written. I’m right there with you in terms of our crappie media coverage they rarely ask the candidates about the real issues, but to say that Hillary is just as weak on policy as Trump is not based in reality.
I once again want to say that he was not just joking around, he was describing what he does to women, and what he describes in this video is exactly what he’s been accused of doing to women for decades. At this point he is just corroborating what we had already heard about him. How is there any doubt in your mind that the man sexually assaults women?
Remember, any politician that’s ever told a lie is no different than Trump.
Worried about the debt? Trump’s tax plan adds $2.6T to $3.9T to the debt beyond current projections, accordingly to the Tax Foundation.