Real Cost of Attempts to De-legitimize Trump
President-elect Donald Trump (a phrase that still doesn’t feel quite possible) has faced a series of attacks from disappointed Democrats and their fellow travelers in the media since his election. First it was a series of meaningless reminders that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, making her the President of California. Then there were attacks on the Electoral College as an outdated institution that only exists to prevent Democrats from winning the presidency and to protect slavery. There was a brief moment of media analysis of Trump’s selection of retired military officers for various cabinet positions before groupthink reasserted itself and they all started using the word “junta” at the same time. The selective recount grift played out once Jill Stein got her money. These various narratives all serve the single purpose of attempting to undermine the legitimacy of a Trump presidency –although keeping bitter liberal tears flowing is a pretty nice bonus.
Comes now the news that the 16 agencies that make up the intelligence community repeat the assertion made in October that Russia was the source of the emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee that found their way to Wikileaks and then to some mainstream media outlets. The latest version of this story alleges Russian motive -they were trying to assist Donald Trump’s campaign. To which one can only say: “Thanks, Obama.”
The calls for a full investigation should be answered with a resounding “hell, yeah!” and subpoenas issued immediately. I’d like to find out exactly how feckless and incompetent the current administration has been before we indict the next one. How pathetic is our national security that 16 intelligence agencies couldn’t prevent the foreign theft of emails between Democrats? How did those tricksy Russians prevent Hillary Clinton from setting foot in Wisconsin? Is Donna Brazile a double agent who gave Clinton the debate questions ahead of time as a ruse? Bernie Sanders said he was “sick of hearing about [Clinton’s] damn emails” over a year ago –what did he know and when did he know it? And did reporting the Wikileaks emails make the media itself complicit in shaping the outcome of an election?
The President-elect isn’t asking any of those questions, of course, because that’s not what he does. His strategy is distraction. Blind trust? Hey look, a tweet about flag-burning. Cabinet pick believes in Bigfoot? Carrier jobs in Indiana! Russia helped Trump win? Let’s cut the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program. Wait, what?
For Georgia, that’s a “whoa, if true” moment. Scott Trubey at the AJC reports “Lockheed’s sprawling plant in Cobb County makes center wing assemblies for the F-35 program. More than 5,000 people are employed at the factory at Dobbins Air Reserve Base.” That’s a lot of folks depending on that program, before any consideration of national defense capabilities or Lockheed’s stock price.
There’s a lesson here for those who continue to refuse accept the results of the election, whether they’re Democrats or Democratic operatives with bylines, and that is to proceed with caution. Put your reporting in perspective. You want an investigation into stolen emails? Fine, let’s see how long it goes before you’re blocked by “sources and methods.” But going after Trump’s legitimacy, risks poking a bear that will lash out in ways that are serious and certain, but unpredictable.
A complete and accurate narrative must acknowledge that no investigation is going to overturn the election, and hold accountable the institutions that allowed stolen emails to become a topic in the first place. Otherwise it’s going to be a very long four years.
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Well said Mike.
I agree with some of what you said in this post.
Though, I find it laughable about some people who are crowing (not you neccesarily) about the de-legitimization of Trump. Some of those same people are the ones who have made every attempt to de-legitimize the current president at EVERY turn.
One of the best things to come out of this election cycle and election results is the light it has shined on people’s hypocrisy and what lengths they will go to and angles they will bend into just solely based on partisan lines.
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I think it’s fair to call into question a system which has one political party in power of the entire federal government without a popular mandate. The reasons for that are several, and I think they should all be looked at. If the response to that questioning is the usual “but we have a republic not a democracy and our founding fathers didn’t want popular selection of the president” then we have to also allow for the electoral college to reject the election outcome. We can’t keep living in this gray space.
Republicans now have the presidency and both houses of congress, as well as more than one propaganda arm. Maybe it’s time to stop blaming Democrats and Obama. There’s this thing called leadership, and it involves modeling the behaviors you want from your opponents.
“Republicans now have the presidency and both houses of congress, as well as more than one propaganda arm. Maybe it’s time to stop blaming Democrats and Obama. There’s this thing called leadership, and it involves modeling the behaviors you want from your opponents.”
You could have said the same thing about the Dems in 2009…
I did. And, for the most part, they did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress
Mike, I find the “give Trump a chance” mantra tiring. The liberal tears comment is insulting. However, I want you to re-read your piece with the following in mind:
“Don’t make daddy angry; he might hit you or me.”
This is the man that Republicans have elected. Is this something to be proud of? The majority of people think not.
Working out your family issues on this blog is probably less than optimal, but hey, it’s a free country. A better analogy might be poking a hornet’s nest and then being mad at the hornets for stinging you.
Trump is the man America elected, whether you and the people of California are proud of that or not.
Ad hominen attacks are not the best use of this blog’s time. Is this where you’re going with it?
My point is that you are stating, baldly, don’t piss of the president or he’ll hurt you. Not “he’ll hurt those dirty foreigners,” no, it’s “he’ll hurt you, right here, American.”
Your essay wanders through several different points, generally deriding Democrats, and ends up with “…hold accountable the institutions that allowed stolen emails to become a topic in the first place.” You’re making the abuser’s point of view the prime topic. “It’s the Victim’s Fault, see!” This is your essay, not mine, and it’s not my fault if you don’t think about your subtext.
Perhaps you should be less ignorant of technical matters (Why would it be a Federal national security operation to secure the emails of *either* political party? Are you aware of the vast and almost uncountable number of ways that computer systems can be penetrated? You *are* aware that most federal agencies’ IT departments are run by people who are both apolitical and also ageing to retirement? ) and be more concise.
We should demand some professionalism and accountability from our federal agencies, indeed. Perhaps we should start with the President Elect?
“We should demand some professionalism and accountability”…”Perhaps we should start with the President Elect?”
Sounds like a plan. Why don’t you whiners let him get into office and see how he actually does first, instead of using every sophomoric trick imaginable to gum up the works even before January 20th?
Put on your big-boy pants, slip off the Serenity diapers and grow up!
Noway, I am genuinely curious – do you actually think his demeanor and tactics will change upon his inauguration? I continue to liken that line of thinking to people who marry someone with the hope that, once their beloved takes those vows, will transform into the person they actually want to be married to. That… doesn’t work. He is 100% who he is, and I’d love to hear your thoughts on what, exactly, about him will change on 1/20 besides his title.
Also, in your post above, you mentioned “Serenity diapers” – you sure you didn’t mean to type “maxi pads” – or is that what you deleted in favor of the adult diapers?
Don’t know, Teri, but the Dems/Libs aren’t even will to accept the reality that he won and they lost. He should be given a chance to see if he’ll do what he said. If he does, his supporters will see him re-elected. If not, the Dems will most certainly find the opponent that will take him out handily in ’20. He has EARNED/WON the chance to govern for the next four years.
“be opposed and stonewalled on every major legislative initiative for the next two years”
Do that at your own peril. If his initiatives are deemed positive/reasonable and he’s stonewalled just for the sake of stonewalling, he’ll tweet the Dem (or Repub) opposition into political oblivion and Trump’s supporters will show them the door in 2018.
Of course he won. Just like Obama did in 2008. Which didn’t stop the minority leadership to start planning his demise before he even to office. It nice to now you believe the “libs” can be less petty and ‘the better person’ then the people planning to run every branch of government come January 20th were 8 years ago. Very high minded of you.
Also, can you come up with a better word then “libs”? Not every Democrat is a liberal, and not every Republican is a Neocon or even a fiscal conservative.
LOL! No, I meant to type a reference to adult diapers. I surely was not targeting females. I could have typed “Depends”, I suppose.
Sophomoric? Pot, meet kettle. Some of your recent trolling hasn’t even risen to the AJC’s levels.
Why wait for the inauguration to criticize if the President-elect isn’t waiting for that date to act unpresidential. Case in point would be his off-the-cuff tweeting. Boeing CEO states his case for free trade and TPP since they have several pending deals with China. Trump follows up with an exaggerated tweet criticizing the Air Force One program and temporarily depresses Boeing’s stock. ($3 Billion or wth make it his 4 is small change in the Defense budget.) Even a tweet I’m mostly in agreement with regarding the F35 is not something that should be coming directly from the President-elect. A tweeting twit as President may make for a day trader’s wet dream but in the end it isn’t good for the rest of the country.
So, any opinion that’s not in line with your thinking is trolling? Got it…
Nah, I’ve used the “net” since its stone age. Before there was http or the World Wide Web it inspired. Somewhere along with the development of Compuserve and AOL the term “netiquette” was coined so I go by that definition of trolling. It has nothing to do with dwelling under bridges but everything to do with baiting or name calling to get the fish to rise as a response. Many times just for the joy of getting the rise out of them.
Adult diaper wearers, lefties, libs… are not the only ones who have a problem with some of the actions of this man who, though legitimately elected President, has obvious character flaws. So did his primary opponent though and prior to his election I was very clear on my dissatisfaction with the choices. I stated at one point in this forum that both candidates were running against the only other one they had a chance of defeating. I don’t know the answers but hope with all my heart that we as Americans can see that it never comes to this again. We have to come up with a better way to give ourselves better choices.
Lovin’ the high-brow commentary here.
First off, never denied Trumps right to the office. For better or worse, he’s the President.
Secondly, this particular President has done absolutely nothing to garner any sort of honeymoon period. It is my right and DUTY as an American citizen to demand behavior that does not embarrass and destabilize our country.
Third…you should be agreeing with me on secondly. This is what you should do for every President, whether you voted for them or not. So, big-boy pants are already on, thank you very much. Don’t be an asshole.
One of the things I liked about the Pundit blog was that even if there was vehement disagreement, it was relatively civil. I’m sorry to see that this has apparently dissolved.
“There’s a lesson here for those who continue to refuse accept the results of the election, whether they’re Democrats or Democratic operatives with bylines, and that is to proceed with caution.”
Isn’t the real lesson here for those who would nominate and elect a man with the temperament of a toddler to the presidency in the first place? Trust that it will be a long 4 years full of upheaval as the giant baby-man knocks over many carefully constructed block towers without a single thought to how much work was put into them or what they meant to those who built them. I look forward to the advances in creativity which allow the party of personal responsibility to convince themselves that it’s all somehow still the responsibility of Democrats, liberals, immigrants, feminists, the media etc…
Thank you Andrew and Mike! Yes, Political parties are private organizations and have no extra protection from the government. IT is mind mindbogglingly silly to think these organizations and their minions, BOTH PARTIES, have unsecured email servers after all the wasted headlines on that issue.
Thanks Mike, I agree with many of your points. Rare for me, I know. Political parties are not official parts of the US Government. They are private organizations that do whatever it takes to promote and make money for their candidates and card carrying elected officials. Their behind the scenes tactics are no surprise and they’re only worried about hiding dirty little party secrets and snarky emails Russia may wikileak.
What should alarm people is the fact that voters form rigid opinions about candidates based on opinionated sources that have been spreading lies and half truths for years.
We have just witnessed the nastiest political campaign season in history. The lies, libel, slander, bullying and childish taunts have destroyed any adherence to decorum and civility. Political parties and candidates do NOT dare bring charges of libel and slander against each other because they want the right to use those tools at will for campaigns and as elected representatives. The media reportedly made over $2 Billion in ad revenue because they avoided policy and platform debates in favor of immature smackdowns that sent ratings soaring. Real news and events were dropped from the headlines as lies, tweets and cheats squandered precious minutes of our news shows and media.
A foreign entity gets in the Dis-information game and suddenly we are upset? HA! America allows unlimited ‘free speech’ to corporate campaign donors that can hide behind multiple layers of secret entities to keep their $$$$ and political influence from being disclosed. This Dark Money creates lots of lies and deceit with through America’s twisted, campaign operating procedures. Russia just joined the game and played America by the American Political Parties own rules. Americans are gullible enough to buy it. Sell the biggest lie. Or sometimes the edited truth. That’s our campaign system and it plays us like a harp from Hell.
Trump stoked racial bigotry, relying on the support of overt white supremacists to win. Trump has stated, plainly, his interest in harming the institutions we have relied upon as walls against tyranny. Trump’s international financial holdings present a massive conflict of interest that he is doing nothing meaningful to abate — he is instead plainly leveraging his office for financial gain. He’s ignoring critical intelligence briefings in what I can only assume is an act of plausible legal deniability.
Trump is a fascist.
The details about the Russian hack on the DNC, or his apparent manipulation of the stock market with his Twitter account use, or having family members sitting in on state meetings … it’s an earnest description of the deck chair arrangement on the Titanic.
Trump must be opposed, while there’s still time. The strength of that resistance may be how our country’s survival is measured. History will judge what we did in these moments.
He received a higher percentage of Black and Latino votes than Romney. Wonder why?
Because Barack Obama wasn’t on the ballot.
Trump won 8 percent of the black vote. Eight. Fewer than one in 12 black voters. If that two percent improvement when Obama isn’t on the ballot means something to you, then by all means, cherish it.
The real story is that black turnout fell by about 11 percent. Overall turnout fell by about 4 percent nationally. Black voters, staying home, cost Clinton the election. For a lot of people, trading the first black president for someone whose political family helped establish mass incarceration of (mostly) black people was unacceptable, even in the face of Trump’s plain racism. And for some others — mostly black men — a female president was intolerable. Trump won one out of five black men voting. Compare that to three percent of black women.
The large increase in black turnout in 2008 and 2012 probably wasn’t sustainable without a figure like Obama on the ballot. But Democrats picked a disastrous candidate. I remain surprised, but not shocked.
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“Trump won one out of five black men voting. ” 20%. How many did Romney win? Percentage of black men voting? Isn’t the percentage of blacks that vote Dem usually 90% or higher?
Could an answer be that they simply liked Trump’s message?
Talking about the cost of de-legitimizing Trump in tandem “with find[ing] out exactly how feckless and incompetent the current {Obama] administration has been” with respect to something the administration is not responsible for (as others have pointed out), is par for the course.
Progress is incremental. Regression is precipitous.
We could suck it up and live with a couple of bad years, but the consequences of those bad years will linger long after the people responsible have been run off.