January 11, 2018 6:00 AM
Morning Reads – Thursday, January 11, 2018
Today marks the 83rd anniversary of Amelia Earhart Putnam becoming the first woman to fly solo from Hawaii to California.
Peaches
- 6 ways to make college more affordable in Georgia
- Carter wants a meeting about proposed offshore drilling in Georgia
- Deal may call special session for Amazon freebies
- The viral post that closed a Georgia Starbucks
- How 6Flags over Georgia lost Monday night
- Elite recruiting has Georgia on the way to building a dynasty
Jimmy Carter
- Teacher arrested for speaking at Board meeting speaks out
- ICE officials storm 7-eleven stores in 17 states
- Headed for another government shutdown
- Voters see the US economy at record high
Sweet Tea
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This is a good step.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/11/major-shift-as-trump-opens-way-for-medicaid-work-requirement.html?cq_ck=1515672588658
I know some of you only read headlines and not the actual links. Before you say republicans are pushing grandma off the cliff please read this.
“The test programs, according to CMS, could make work, “skills training, education, job search, volunteering or caregiving” a requirement for Medicaid for “able-bodied, working-age adults.” It would not apply to those getting benefits due to a “disability, elderly beneficiaries, children, and pregnant women.””
1) “To date, CMS has received demonstration project proposals from 10 states that include employment and community engagement initiatives: Arizona, Arkansas, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Utah and Wisconsin” https://www.cms.gov/Newsroom/MediaReleaseDatabase/Press-releases/2018-Press-releases-items/2018-01-11.html
2) “we already have a challenge in getting able-bodied adults without dependents into the Medicaid system in the first place.” And that is a bad thing? I’ve said this a million times. Medicaid was not designed for able bodied individuals.
3) There have been numerous studies showing that people are more healthy when they are employed. I fail to see the downside in trying to help people find a job. Below are just a few of those studies. Glad I could bring you out of retirement.
3 Bartley, M and Plewis, I. (2002) Accumulated labor market disadvantage and limiting long term illness. International Journal of Epidemiology 31:336-41.
4 Chetty R, Stepner M, Abraham S, et al. The association between income and life expectancy in the United States, 2001-2014. JAMA. 2016; 315(16):1750-1766.
5Waddell, G. and Burton, AK. Is Work Good For Your Health And Well-Being? (2006) EurErg Centre for Health and Social Care Research, University of Huddersfield, UK
6 Van der Noordt, M, Jzelenberg, H, Droomers, M, and Proper,K. Health effects of employment: a systemic review of prospective studies. BMJournals. Occupational and Environmental Medicine. 2014: 71 (10).
7 Crabtree, S. In U.S., Depression Rates Higher for Long-Term Unemployed. (2014). Gallup. http://news.gallup.com/poll/171044/depression-rates-higher-among-long-term-unemployed.aspx
8 United Health Group. Doing good is good for you. 2013 Health and Volunteering Study.
9 Jenkins, C. Dickens, A. Jones, K. Thompson-Coon, J. Taylor, R. and Rogers, M. Is volunteering a public health intervention? A systematic review and meta-analysis of the health and survival of volunteersBMC Public Health 2013. 13 (773)
Do we have any numbers or percentages on the number of recipients in the relevant states the would fall under this requirement, without falling under one of the exemptions?
1) “There’s a misconception that the long-term unemployed are purposefully avoiding work.” And all this does is say that those individuals will need to show that they are looking for work, training for work, caregiving or even volunteering. I don’t think that is too much to ask.
2) Again, those able bodied low income individuals get to stay on Medicaid if they are in “skills training, education, job search, volunteering or caregiving.” Not too much to ask. This isn’t about keeping people off Medicaid. It’s about trying to help people get a job so they don’t have to live in poverty and depend on Medicaid. Why do you want people to stay in poverty?
3) “If you really want a functioning work requirement program, you’re better off tying the work requirements to food stamps.” I will say that I think that is in the works.
“Do we have any numbers or percentages on the number of recipients in the relevant states the would fall under this requirement, without falling under one of the exemptions?” Very good question. I know that CMS and the individual states have that info, but I have not seen it publically stated yet.
The exemptions seem appropriate at first blush, but given their scope, I’d be surprised if the remaining folks subject to such requirement was over 15% of the non-disabled recipients. That doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s worth doing or not, but when the numbers do come in, it may likely shed light on the fact that the large majority of able-bodied recipients do work (the working poor), or are constrained by child care costs, etc. If the states throw some efforts towards helping people solve those employment-type of problems, that would be a much more well-rounded program.
Look at Wisconsin for baseline info. They were the blueprint for the TANF requirements and have had state wide requirements for their instate healthcare insurance program that existed prior to the ACA. I would bet one of the UW libraries has the info archived, and being part of L-Cat any one with a library card could access it. I would also point out these programs when created 25-30 years ago were back by both parties in the state and researched by the UW system as to how best to implement them. Keep in mind, from 1993 -2005 the head of UW and the governor of Wisconsin both become HHS sectaries.
Another question, How does this change to Medicaid define disability as related to work requirements?
Real life example, my neighbor’s son is on Medicaid and SSI disability. He is also 100% physically able to work. Cleans and cooks for his elderly mother. He does odd jobs for me, will carry anything heavy from my car to the inside of my house. Takes care of my cats when I’m gone, and even does his sisters lawn work on her 1/2 acre lot. What makes him legally disabled is schizoaffective disorder. As long as he takes his meds and sees his doctors once a month (which Medicaid pays for), he’s okay. He can not legally drive, but is technically a “able-bodied, working-age adult.”
This is meant to reply to Ellyn’s question, but don’t know if it will appear below that post or not. I don’t know the details of any new law or proposal, but my guess is that any finding of disability (physical or mental) will exempt someone from work requirements. If not, that would be a huge discriminatory blow to those suffering from mental illness or disability, and since even addictive disorders seem to get some exemption, it doesn’t seem logical that mental disability would become un-exempted.
Ellynn, the letter to states from CMS states “States must also create exemptions for individuals determined by the state to be medically frail and should also exempt from the requirements any individuals with acute medical conditions validated by a medical professional that would prevent them from complying with the requirements.”
The key word there being must.
See Andrew, this is where you are flat out lying and I ask that you please stop.
This is not a way to pay for tax cuts. The administration is replying to states (states which you said earlier wouldn’t want to do this. So clearly you don’t know as much as you think you do.) who have asked for these types of waivers in the Medicaid program. Many of theses requests came into HHS and CMS well before tax reform passed.
States want to add job training to certain individuals on Medicaid to help them get off Medicaid. Yes that is true. Not because those states are evil, but because they don’t want they populations living in perpetual poverty like you obliviously want them to.
I asked, because he has been turned in for fraud a number of times since he can physically work. His mom and sister have had to even go to a case hearing once, because the fraud investigation questioned if he even had mental issues, since he has no police records or EMT service calls for any incidents or having any issues.
Ellynn, if your neighbor’s son is on the prescriptions you mentioned they would have had to be prescribed to him by his doctor. All that he needs to remain on Medicaid with no changes to his service is a doctor’s note saying why he is taking the prescriptions. “acute medical conditions validated by a medical professional” are exempt. Not everything is as evil or bad as some want to make this out to be.
No Andrew. Lying is saying that states won’t want to do this when 1 in 5 have already asked to.
Lying is saying that this in response to tax cuts and wanting to kick people off Medicaid to pay for it when in fact these states asked to add job training and work requirements well before tax reform was debated this year.
Keep on keeping on with what you do.
l will post these again since you didn’t read them. I stand by my comments on the left wanting people to remain in poverty because it’s the easiest way to scare them into voting democrat. Also, I love this line “The GOP is, once again, stigmatizing poverty because it’s a winning issue with the donor class.” Yes, all we want to do is make poor people feel bad about living in poverty. It has nothing to do with helping them get out of poverty.
Bartley, M and Plewis, I. (2002) Accumulated labor market disadvantage and limiting long term illness. International Journal of Epidemiology 31:336-41.
Chetty R, Stepner M, Abraham S, et al. The association between income and life expectancy in the United States, 2001-2014. JAMA. 2016; 315(16):1750-1766
Waddell, G. and Burton, AK. Is Work Good For Your Health And Well-Being? (2006) EurErg Centre for Health and Social Care Research, University of Huddersfield, UK
Van der Noordt, M, Jzelenberg, H, Droomers, M, and Proper,K. Health effects of employment: a systemic review of prospective studies. BMJournals. Occupational and Environmental Medicine. 2014: 71 (10).
Crabtree, S. In U.S., Depression Rates Higher for Long-Term Unemployed. (2014). Gallup. http://news.gallup.com/poll/171044/depression-rates-higher-among-long-term-unemployed.aspx
United Health Group. Doing good is good for you. 2013 Health and Volunteering Study.
Jenkins, C. Dickens, A. Jones, K. Thompson-Coon, J. Taylor, R. and Rogers, M. Is volunteering a public health intervention? A systematic review and meta-analysis of the health and survival of volunteersBMC Public Health 2013. 13 (773)
“In the meantime, Democratic ad makers are going to be able to pump out the message: “Republican Rep. _______, voted to take away your health insurance. When that didn’t work, he supported a program that takes away Medicaid if you get laid off or lose your job.””
You are correct. But sometimes when doing what is right you have to understand that the other side will attack you. “that takes away Medicaid if you get laid off or lose your job” is a flat out lie. The left’s bread and butter is to keep minorities in poverty so that they can say things just like you just said to scare them into voting D.
Yes, damn all those companies that are giving their employees raises and bonus because of tax reform. Damn them.
You are right. The left is great about lying to the impoverished about what their government programs will do. For the most part it will keep them in poverty. Damn those republicans for wanting to try to help people find jobs so they don’t need to beg the government to just get by. Damn those evil people.
You know Eiger, I don’t have problems with cutting corperate taxes to get raises and have better wages. I like getting more money. The kicker is making sure the country has not cut to the point that government can’t function or pay for items it needs (ie. Kansas). We could have placed the new corporate rate at say 24% and still have the huge dividends flowing into my 401(k) in the last 10 days, have money for infrastructure so corporate American can move their people/stuff and have water and sewer connections to function. And just MAYBE show a little compassion for these not so lucky to be getting mega tax breaks, or having issues because of what live hands them, in some cases through no fault of their own. I don’t know if you ever do work with the people on these programs, but not one of the ones I have worked with as a volunteer in the last 10 years ever wants to be in poverty. The work and yet they struggle.
Ellynn, of course they don’t want to live in poverty. Who would. But the programs they are on keep most of them in poverty by forcing them to depend on government and not helping them with job training so that they don’t have to depend on the government.
Job training, that is most likely going to get cut to balance the budget…
However, I have not seen the lack of training as the issue. Across the board, it is the finite cutoffs for removing a person from a program, instead of scaling them off of them.
A few years ago I was a mentor for a woman who left her abusive husband and was trying to raise her children with in the programs she needed to just survive. The group I volunteer with helped her find a job, daycare for two of the youngest and a government funded home before I even meet her. I taught her how to balance a checkbook, set budgets, use and pay off her one credit card to raise her credit score, basic cooking, how to find cheep entertainment for the kids. She was doing so well, that another business she worked with offered her a better paying job. Not so large of an increase to lose her home or the WIC for her children, but it was large enough that she would lose the daycare for the two youngest. The cheapest daycare would cost 5 time more a week then what she would gain. She had no choice but to turn down a job that paid more, had better benefits and more options for advancement. Now, if the program had scalable cost to her income instead of ‘If you make less then X you can get Y’ rules in the bill that funded the cost, she could have gotten a higher paying job to work her way out of poverty, learned to add a budget line for daycare and work her way up the ladder. Instead she had to wait 3 years until both kids were in the Pre-K and afterschool programs before she could take a better position. Three years of lower wages, lost chances to earn even more and maybe get off of WIC or out of the projects. Also less taxes got to uncle Sam and into the SSI and Medicaid programs.
She advanced out of my mentoring, but I did talk to her at Christmas time. She is hoping with the tax cut and the possibility of her new employer giving her a raise larger then expected she might be able to move out of government funded housing and into a neighborhood that has a better high school for the oldest to attend in the fall and a better afterschool program for her 3 youngest. I pointed out the additional child credit will help too next year. However, the employer she turned down four years ago already handed out bonces, and introduced additional on the job training most likely related to the tax cuts. Just think how much more she could be making if she didn’t have to turn that job down.
That’s what keeps people in the system longer then needed.
If they have a job they stay on Medicaid as is with no changes. If they lose that job they remain on Medicaid as long as they are looking for another job. Or volunteering at their church. Or taking job training. Or caring for a family member.
“Again, this isn’t about getting people to work, it’s about choking the life out of a social welfare program.” You can continue to scream that the sky isn’t blue and that grass isn’t green. It will continue to be a lie.
This… from the pair who told us a few times how they could solve healthcare by themselves if they were the only two in the room and beer was present.
You don’t build dynasties by choking away title games.
No doubt Georgia is recruiting well, but they have never had issues with being able to recruit.
Georgia not Among 18 States Urging Probe of Utility Rates After Tax Cut. Texas and Florida are. When will Georgia and the PSC get on board. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-10/n-y-among-18-states-urging-probe-of-utility-rates-after-tax-cut
I like to scan small town news sites, and I came across this , which is pretty surprising to me:
“The tax bill signed into law by President Donald Trump Dec. 22 prompted many local property owners to pay taxes early.
“This year, $12,930,809.82 in 2018 property taxes were prepaid by the time Carver County (MN) offices closed Dec. 29, 2017. By the end of 2016, the prepaid amount was $652,126.42, according to Dave Frischmon, Property and Financial Services director. The total number of payments grew from 144 in 2016 to 2,077 in 2017.
“That’s because the new tax law caps deductions at $10,000 for local and state taxes in 2018. Taxpayers got out their checkbooks earlier than usual, hoping to skirt this new rule.”
http://www.swnewsmedia.com/chanhassen_villager/news/local/early-and-happy-taxpayers/article_68a6a4ee-3369-508d-af9c-19cdbb11e533.html
So at least 2000 people in Carver County, MN expect to have more than $10,000 in deductions?
Carver County is part of the metro Minneapolis areas, so it is possible.
I paid mine and my mother’s property taxes early (also my January and February mortgage payments – the most my lender would allow.). Both of our taxes have been accessed and are in bi-yearly requirements, so we just paid the full amounts early. We both currently itemize and with the doubling of standard deductions, the removal of the personal exemption and the lost of being able to write off medical deducts, the chances of my mom even meeting the $12,500 standardized deduction for 2018 to even use her over $4000 in property taxes is highly unlikely. She itemized in 2016 over $20,000, most of that medical related, so she’s going to loose the difference between the new standardized amount vs. what she did itemize and no longer having her 1 lone exemption. Thus we are maxing out whatever can be included in our 2017 filings.
It just seems like a lot of people that had that much in exemptions and had the wherewithal to file early. But that county has about $80,000+ median income, so I guess it makes sense.
But if that is happening across the country that’s going to be an amazing impact on the economy. Lot’s of extra revenue now but a big drop later.
Property taxes in the upper Midwest tend to run a bit higher then in southern states. Two things factor into that, higher educational cost on property owners with less from state income taxes, and the amount/cost of public services. My hometown has more salt and brine equipment then then any GDOT region south of ATL. Local counties can also added property tax sweeteners in order for local business to either stay or relocate to their areas. Racine County has an addition 5 year surcharge addition of about $110 a year per house on average to pay for their part of the Foxcom infrastructure.
My mom’s taxes of under $4000 are for a city lot with a 1100 SF ranch and full heated basement valued at under $110,000. And every 4 hours for 32 hours straight a snow plow with a salt spreader went down her street when 5 inches of snow fell on the 23rd.
My bestfriends house is a 3,100 SF two story with a wooded 2 acre attached with just county taxes 5 miles away from moms. Her taxes are just under $10,000. She paid hers off early too.
I am waiting for the actual list of what deceptions you can itemize.
You are forgetting the political ad that goes this way:
GOP- “ huddled masses, you know that $1200 tax refund you just got? We gave it to you. And the dems opposed you getting it en masse
You know that $1000 bonus your employer just gave you? We made that happen. And the dems opposed you getting it en masse”
You know that 2 buck an hour raise you just got? We made that happen for you with our tax bill. And the dems opposed you getting it en masse.
Imo this is the one big policy that may possibly prevent the supposedly next wave election. Are the folks really gonna punish the party that gave all this to them?
I don’t get making life more difficult for vulnerable populations.
Sometimes I wish that more right-wingers would experience a devastating financial tragedy and see what it is like on the other side. I don’t think that is too much to ask.
To save Norway sometime, here is the AP article on state legislators acting badly. I’m sure there is a Libtrad in there somewhere.
https://apnews.com/6c62ed3e420f4e4092ce5f6066f1ed7b/Sexual-misconduct-policies-face-updates-in-state-capitols?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&stream=top-stories
Also a governor.
http://fox2now.com/2018/01/11/missouri-governor-denies-blackmailing-woman/
Plus the Fox reporter he missed yesterday…
https://www.npr.org/2018/01/10/577093288/top-fox-news-d-c-reporter-james-rosen-left-network-after-harassment-claims?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&stream=top-stories
And maybe more media types
http://www.businessinsider.com/moira-donegan-media-men-spreadsheet-outs-herself-2018-1
But not Wall Street. Yet.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-11/why-wall-street-hasn-t-had-its-metoo-moment-yet
Hmmmm…
http://www.wtoc.com/story/37245467/fort-stewart-3rd-id-armored-brigade-to-deploy-to-korea
On the other hand, good thing they have the 4 lane rural in the middle of nowhere $2 billion GRIP roads to move all their gear from Benning and Steward to Hunter and Ocean Terminal at the Port of Savannah…
Our president is a racist. He may not know it, but he is a racist.
“Again, this isn’t about getting people to work, it’s about choking the life out of a social welfare program.”
Sure it is. Getting people back to work will naturally require less of a social welfare program. Pretty dang simple.
Ellynn, being an investigator, I have real world experience in cases like the one you cite.
“Real life example, my neighbor’s son is on Medicaid and SSI disability. He is also 100% physically able to work.”
What’s gonna happen, like you say that he’s been “cited” in one form or another…
Insurance companies are gonna send out folks to do an “activity check” on the claimant. Your guy, for example, is able to work. They will take video of his activity. This happens all the time on Workman’s Comp cases. If he’s cutting grass, changing a tire, playing basketball, any semi strenuous activity whatsoever, they will document his ability to work/be active and then they’ll cut off benefits. And possibly charge insurance fraud. If your guy is on mental disability, they’ll still come after them but not as aggressively. Tell your friend to be aware of his surroundings, look for vans that may be parked nearby to catch activity. These vans will have curtains separating the front two seats from the back of the van. Darkened windows, fake names on the side of the vans…posing as utilities…the whole nine yards.
You know, Drew, in this instance you have no effing clue what you’re talking about. I am giving Ellynn real, true advice on how insurance companies have probably popped her friend in the past. He needs to know how to protect himself from aggressive enforcement measures that will cost him money…or worse. You seem to have a reflexive need to chime in in any passive aggressive way on stuff you don’t know diddly squat about. For once in your life, please just be quiet.
And the SS Administration never checks on people who claim disability in an effort to root out fraud??? Happens all the time. You are a blithering idiot. Letting someone know how the government might be targeting them for the removal if a life saving benefit is info they need yo know! But thank you for that medical opinion, Dr. Snowflake!
I leave you people alone for six hours… SMH.
In the case where he and his family had to go through a hearing, the Medicaid fraud worker was a new hire and this was one of his first cases. He was questioning whether the doctor was gaming the system. The original video was taken by his sister’s neighbor. It was not the first time he was questions, but normally his medical files have stopped a full investigations. His mother and sister are very aware of what it would look like if he is being watched. They are very protective of him.
Lol!
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The Great Man uttered some salty language but 63 million agree with the chacterization!
Make Immigration Great Again!
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/us/politics/trump-shithole-countries.html?referer=http://www.drudgereport.com/