June 19, 2018 8:49 AM
Morning Reads for Tuesday, June 19
Good morning!
- Here’s how the Georgia’s three gubernatorial candidates feel about the continuing immigration (and humanitarian) crisis within our borders.
- Trump is steadfast with his immigration message – but even the Mooch is like, “Bro, chill!” Bless their hearts.
- Georgia is losing the battle against invasive plants – and it’s way beyond just kudzu.
- Pro tip: if you intend to have a “green” campaign, and you want to recycle your signs, you might want to check that they’re recyclable before you order 1,000 of them.
- Common Cause takes its anti-gerrymandering message to Savannah.
- A lovely story about former Senator Bob Dole, who spends his Saturdays on his “final mission.”
- It’s one star for the validity of most negative online reviews. (Every time I read a ridic one-star review I turn to my husband and say, “Worst. Episode. Ever.“)
- Tiny Lou’s is open at the Clermont Hotel!
- I have wondered this for years: why no Top Chef Atlanta?
- What Clarkston Mayor Ted Terry learned from on Queer Eye. Honestly, Ted is a great guy and an outstanding mayor, and it’s an excellent and charming show that’s set entirely in Georgia – but Ted is not even in, like, the top 20 list of Georgia mayors who might benefit from a visit from the Fab Five.
- Seriously, this show is balm for the soul and if you have Netflix, I highly recommend it.
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The Washington Examiner has the best take on this.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/compassion-and-the-rule-of-law-at-the-border
“Current federal law leaves the nation choosing between these two bad options and inevitably finding the other side’s stance repugnant. Behind the raging policy debate about “children being torn from their parents’ arms” are differing philosophies of national sovereignty and differing attitudes toward lawbreaking and mercy. There is no quick fix, but clearly the Trump administration can handle things better.
Under President Trump’s new “zero tolerance” rules, immigrants caught entering the country illegally are charged, either with a misdemeanor or, in the case of repeat offenders, with a felony. Arrested immigrant adults are put in detention facilities. Children can’t be sent to jail, so the children of adults charged with illegal entry are separated from their parents, just as throughout the country children are separated from parents arrested and detained for other offenses, such as robbing a bank or making straw donations to a congressional candidate.
If the adults admit they were sneaking into the U.S. illegally and plead guilty, the family is reunited quickly, and they are all deported together. The process is more drawn out for illegal immigrants from countries other than Mexico, which are not contiguous to the U.S.
But many illegal immigrants, after being caught, claim asylum, often on poor grounds. Asylum seekers are supposed to present themselves openly at an official border crossing, but some still try to sneak in. Once someone has claimed asylum, federal law requires a lengthier process before they can be deported. The children of these adults are the ones separated from them for much longer stretches.
This is not a good way to treat people when it can be avoided. Previous administrations did avoid it, but only by shrugging at immigration enforcement and granting extra leeway to illegal immigrant families with children. These families were released from detention quickly because of laws and court rulings prohibiting lengthy detention of children.
This gentler treatment of families reflects either a good and charitable disposition, and a desire to keep children and parents together, or a cynical laxity in the administration’s constitutional duty to uphold the law, probably both. It also created a moral hazard and bad incentives.
“Some migrants have admitted they brought their children not only to remove them from danger in such places as Central America and Africa,” the New York Times has reported, “but because they believed it would cause the authorities to release them from custody sooner.
“Others have admitted to posing falsely with children who are not their own, and Border Patrol officials say that such instances of fraud are increasing.””
Anyone who has a better solution to the last portion, please provide it. But of course, that would require actually believing that it is appropriate to have a country with borders and enforce them by preventing people who attempt to enter said country without proper legal authorization to do so by removing them. In recent years, “no borders, no deportations, anyone who wants to come is free to do so and can stay” has become the de facto position of the Democratic Party, and the left worldwide. A good example: see Merkel in Germany, before electoral losses forced her to “moderate” her stance, and for which she was named Time Magazine’s woman of the year, which of course indicates that the mainstream media wishes for the United States to adopt the same policy.
If that’s the policy that Democrats want to have, then let them introduce a bill and Congress can vote on it. If you do not like the results of Congress voting against either a de jure or de facto (via “decrimininalization where the laws are on the books for whatever reason but we have an official, codified policy not to enforce them) then vote them out and elect someone who will. But contriving all of these ways to attack law enforcement officials – the president and his cabinet ARE the executive branch – for enforcing the laws as written are going to be losing battles in red and swing states.
Also, having an open-borders philosophy but being unwilling to openly admit and defend it, and instead calling people “cruel” or “racist” for opposing the policies that you aren’t even willing to openly promote through legislation because you know that it is unpopular is unethical, cowardly and does real damage to the political system and the same concept of the rule of law that progressives otherwise cherish when it comes to areas as environmental and wage protections and civil rights laws. Make law enforcement some a la carte grab bag where each person can pick and choose in accordance with their own beliefs and convenience and that will threaten progressive legislative victories too. Lots of folks out there aren’t going to be shamed and goaded by searing opeds by Buzzfeed, Vox and the New York Times editorial page into being only willing to go along with laws designed to protect the interests of the unprivileged. They’ll just stop obeying laws, period. We don’t have enough jails, judges, police etc. to stop, punish or deter every potential lawbreaker. What usually works is the sense that general obesieance to the law – even when you disagree with it and are personally inconvenienced by it – is basically what determines the difference between a good person and a bad person. Throw that out the window with “I am not going to obey any law that is unfair and I get to decide what is unfair” and what kind of society do you want to have?
The same people who would cheer our border enforcement apparatus being dismantled rightfully freaked out over the antics of Cliven Bundy and his band of right wing scofflaws during the Obama administration. Ever consider what would happen were right wingers to start behaving that way writ large? It would take only 10% – forget that 1% – of those people emulating the “civil disobedience” tactics of the left for total chaos to break out.
Yep, definitely LDIG.
“Children can’t be sent to jail.”
But we can detain them in cages for extended periods of time?
It is also not a crime to seek asylum.
So a plea for asylum upon entry allows for options to keep families together.
Are there any good options? Doesn’t appear so.
It isn’t hard, though, to imagine a secure yet humane holding facility.
But it doesn’t look like anyone has prepared for this policy.
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I’m guessing that the whole “Dems want open borders and limitless immigration” has been repeated so many times by those who prefer to spread untruth and sow discord that it has been embedded in the minds of those who don’t know better.
The Trump administration policy of separating and interning children is about one thing and one thing only, “the wall.” Over the last few years, there have been several bipartisan proposals to comprehensively address the dreamers and immigration overall. You can agree or disagree with the Border Security Act of 2013 but any suggestion that Democratic have blocked legislation to fix the immigration system is a lie. The reason this did not become law was because the majority of Republicans did not support it, not a majority of the Congress, the majority of Republicans. The Hastert rule prevents any bipartisan solutions because the “freedom caucus” has veto power over America.
Recently, several common sense solutions have been proposed by both side and that could pass both houses of Congress but congressional leadership refuses to allow a vote on anything that doesn’t include funding for a wall. Trump and the trumpets have decided that as a tactic they are willing to traumatize and abuse thousands of brown children in an attempt to force the Democrats to fund the wall. Trump has threatened to shut down the government this fall over funding for the wall.
Why is he doing this? He is not the President of the United States, he’s the president of the “base” of the Republican Party. He does not care how any decisions he makes affects anyone except the 36% who will support him even if he shoots someone in the middle of 5th Avenue. The cult has been born and is fully engaged in worship of the dear leader.
The party that told Gorbachev to “tear down this wall” now stands for building a wall between allies at any cost, how ironic.
https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/editorial/trump-administration-s-family-separation-policy-editorial-cartoonists-chime-in/collection_d62f1e67-c615-5451-a2ec-a9af49ed41e0.html#1
I might add that Trump and the trumpets see these children as murderers, rapist and animals so treating them this way is justified.
The best policy for the kids safety is to separate the kids from the adults. That is the only way to protect the kids from molestation or worse by the adults. Separating the kids will aid in detecting sex trafficking of minors. There are many good and proper reasons for the temporary separation and all of them are for the kid’s safety.
The libs and Chamber of Commerce Republicans don’t give a hoot about the kid’s safety, they just shamelessly want another avenue to push their open borders agenda.
Mike, for some reason, you go far into the outfield on immigration issues. The safety and well-being of the children has nothing to do with the policy- it’s about punishing the adults.
But you repeat this line I hear all the time, that Dems- and now moderate Repubs- want some sort of weird open borders. Maybe some want to allow limitless immigration (subject to background checks at least), but I’ve never heard anyone saying limitless or lawless. Everyone I know just wants a more compassionate system that considers things like being a targeted victim of gang violence, e.g., to be valid grounds for asylum. Or victims of war. And there needs to be a re-alignment of the numbers of spots offered to folks to reflect reality– like we would rightfully expect a higher number of folks migrating from Central America and Mexico because they’re like neighbors and stuff.
The stupidity is strong with this one I say.
Where the new parking fee increase REALLY went…?
http://www.savannahnow.com/news/20180618/city-of-savannah-employee-fired-arrested-on-felony-theft-charges
This issue with separating children from their parents from a pure political view is going to tank republicans if they dont act very quickly. I just heard a recording of a 6 year old girl pleading with officers not to take her away from her parents. Only a sociopath can support that. I am willing to bet that if Cagle and Kemp continue to tow the Trump (which is false) line…they are going to lose…bigly. This is one of those issues entering American consciousness at light speed…and thats never good for the party thats seen as the villain
An audio of crying kids does not prove anything, e.g. where? whom? etc. — it’s simply a propaganda tool being used to push the Democrats’ political agenda. I hear kids crying and screaming at local McDonald’s and even in sit-down restaurants when their parents go to the bathroom or whatever. And have you never heard a child crying “Mama!” when a working mother drops them off at a nursery before heading to their job?
Clinton, Bush, and Obama didn’t seem to have a problem with holding their hands on the Bible and swearing to uphold the Constitution and the laws of the United states — then not honoring that oath of office. Trump campaigned as a law-and-order candidate, seems to be actually honoring his oath office and upholding the law, no matter how difficult or unpopular with his political opponents.
You do understand that so-called parents created this whole mess by deciding to storm across our border, right? There is domestic abuse and gangs in the U.S. – it’s absurd to accept that as an excuse from Central Americans. We need to fix our domestic abuse and murders, along with gang drugs and murders, before we keep pouring in additional people from other countries.
Umm, there were supposed to be paragraph breaks in that post – please forgive. And what happened to our “edit” function??
One thing we can all agree on is that we miss the Edit function.
My understanding is that gang violence can be so pervasive that most all have to either Join or Die. And if you Join, you’ll probably die then too. It’s like conscripting child soldiers. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose. The parents made rational choices to stay where they live and be abducted.
And there goes that old saw of the “Dem political agenda” argument. So the Dems made the Pres. and Sessions enact this policy so that they could use the results to advance their goals? Of what? Stopping child abuse policies?
Ignorant. Abuse enabling. Hater.
I almost never get riled up to the point of my last comment. It’s just such a stark lack of compassion, and ignorance of how laws work, and is fundamentally anti-American.
I sure hope you dont have kids
He’s not upholding the law. The law allows people to claim assylum. Trump is denying that right, charging them as criminals and snatching their children.
Frankly I would love pictures of the children in the detention centers instead of just tapes. However Nielsen claims she doesn’t know where the females and children under 10 detainees are.
Caroline, you’re right the law allows people to claim asylum, and the Trump administration is definitely allowing them to file for asylum processing under US law. The same as Obama did. There is actually a legal process for doing it, and for verifying claims. For some stupid reason a federal court several years ago ruled that children cannot stay with adults during that asylum process. So the current situation existed under Obama and Bush also. And the law identifies teenagers and young adults up to 18 as “children.” So the whole process has never made sense to me.
But where was the media outrage and leftist propaganda when Obama did this? Some of the photos of illegal migrants’ children lying on the floor in cages are stamped/dated 2014 and earlier. Long before Trump even announced as a candidate. And how about the same during Bush’s term? Crickets.
I’ve never seen such delayed public outrage — it only became bad when it was a president the media didn’t like. And for folks who hate President Trump. They lose their minds over this long-standing border process law, to the total exclusion of covering a mass shooting of 23 people in Trenton, N.J. this weekend. No time to worry about those American families, when you’ve got a political media blitz about illegal migrant families.
BTW, I do have much-loved kids and would never dream of illegally dragging them into a foreign country, teaching them how to get away with breaking the law. And placing them at the mercy of whatever that country’s laws might be.
No, actually what is happening is Trump is having people turned away at the location where they are claiming assylum telling them to come back day after day or some other thing. The bar for assylum is pretty low but he’s turning them away and then they are crossing the border and being arrested because they have been trying to do it the legal way for days.
Can you guys get your stories straight? You guys said Obama was too lax. You said he was letting too many people in. This is not the same thing that was happening under Obama. He kept them together as families and processed them through and some got through the process and some got sent back. However separating families was never the goal of the Obama administration nor any other previous president D or R.
Trump upholds the law! What a joke. He has assulted every institution put in place to uphold the law. He attacks the judiciary on a regular basis. He attempts to undermine the Justice department because he doesn’t understand the constitution. He’s savagely attacked the FBI, the CIA. He called our military killers and compared them to Putin?s kgb (see his superbowl interview with O’reilly). He is an admirer of every brutal dictator and totalian thug on the planet and you say he upholds the law?
At some point, Trump’s enablers will have to put down the kool aide or drink it!
Rick Wilson says they are going to be drowning on the kool aid before long.
…and from the moron we elected to be our Senator…David Perdue
Dont talk about children being separated from their families…
Talk about our Spending Cuts to Medicare!
(you couldnt make this up)
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/19/17479526/family-separation-border-republican-press-conference
Oh, and IG Horowitz has now admitted he is officially investigating whether FBI anti Trump bias ( you know, that bias that several posters here claim never has been proven to exist) was the very genesis of the Mueller investigation.
But I’m sure there is nothing to see here, amirite?
But the right people saying it enough times makes it true.
alpha male
….. was the very genesis of the Mueller investigation.
You just make that up?
The IG report didn’t come close to stating any thing remotely close to that at all.
Is this what Faux News is pushing to their illiterates this week ?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/06/19/inspector-general-investigating-whether-peter-strzoks-bias-prompted-special-counsel-investigation-n2492299
Ka-Boom!!
Yep Noway. And Chatsprint, who seemingly accused me of “ making that up” and of being “illiterate “, is doing a marvelous imitation of a cricket now.
Of course, you can generally discount an opinion as both lacking knowledge and filled with bias, when said commenter talks of “ Faux News”.
Good lord. Peter Strzoks had nothing to do with the special counsel investigation. I guess they don’t know about Papdopoulos talking to the Austrailan ambassador who then reported it to the FBI or the fact that Carter Page was basically a Russian mule that the FBI had been tapping way before he joined the Trump campaign.
These people are going to drink polonium laced kool aid when they are finally hit with the facts.
I had forgotten that he was fired by Mueller. Yes, that is correct. However him starting the investigation is just pure nonsense.
You may want to inform IG Horowitz of your conclusion. It would apparently save him a lot of time and money since he is now investigating that very possibility as I demonstrated with that link.
But it did not take that article for me to realize what Horowitz said. As I, as opposed to a couple of other commenters here, actually HEARD Horowitz state that very fact before the senate committee yesterday. I was watching it. Were you?
Facts are a pesky thing sometimes . And the FACT is that he specifically stated he is now officially investigation what role Strzok’s bias played in spurring the Russia investigation.
Oh, and some more bad news for you since you apparently missed yesterday’s testimony. Horowitz stated there would be yet another IG report. This one will be on this very topic. The Russia investigation and its origin.
I’m thinking you are not gonna like that one either.
I’m thinking that any future reports will say something similar (but not identical) to the present report. Something like: We cannot be 100% confident that there was no bias, but we’re at least 98% confident that there was no bias.
What’s sad is that 98% probably won’t be good enough for Trump or lemmings. 99.9% wouldn’t be good enough. Any chance to seize on a weakness, and turn a 1% weakness into a 99% weakness (regardless of evidence) will likely be the play.
So you’re saying there’s a chance…
Dude, no, Strzok’s texts had nothing to do with the Russia investigation. What is currently being investigated by the IG is Guilani’s contact with the FBI. That is what Horowitz said in testimony. Giuliani even admitted that he had been interviewed by the IG.
You don’t know about Papadopoulous and the Austrailian ambassador?
Interesting read from the world of reality:
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/immigration/sd-me-family-separation-20180618-story.html
Really, Andrew?? Doesn’t look like any jail I’ve ever seen. Looks like our government protecting children who have been manipulated by adults who may have abused them. Looks like cheery environs, fun things to do, good food, freedom to play and be kids. Sort of like a for-profit childcare center, Anytown, USA, that you or I would have to pay for out of after-tax dollars.
Crickets about families and children of the mass shooting in New Jersey this weekend. Crickets about the government’s obligations to American citizens. Crickets about Alexander Mazin, Kate Steinle, and all the other Americans murdered by illegal migrants who permanently separated them from their families.
Charlie, tin foil hats and unicorns seem to be prevalent on here these days. Pretty sad.
What’s your excuse for being a name-calling jerk who generally concludes that 2 plus two equals ten? I don’t have the time or inclination to go through correcting all your misrepresentations on here.
Do carry on.
Wow!Looky here…LMAO!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5862743/FBI-lover-Peter-Strzok-escorted-FBI.html
Hey, Noway! Good to see you. Sure hope CNN is wrong as usual about Strzok still being on the FBI payroll. H/R Dept.? After all the duplicitous (some would say treasonous) things that guy has done? Fox, meet Hen House.
Honest question for Noway and Sally to contemplate….if Peter Strzok was a “deep state” implant hell bent on unraveling the Trump campaign, why didn’t he?
He knew about the counterintelligence investigation in the middle of 2016, could’ve easily leaked that info to the press before the election, but he didn’t. Why not?
Hey, Jack, why don’t you tell us all here, why Struck told his girlfriend that, “No, we’ll stop it!” Oh, really, struck? Your gonna stop a dily elected Prez?! I think not. His words and intention in that statement are treasonous! That guy needs yo be in jail right now.
The text messages in question were form August of 2016, when he said “we’ll stop it.” So if you can remember back in August of 2016, Trump was not the “dily elected Prez?!” as you so eloquently put it, but he was a candidate.
So from August of 2016 to November of 2016, Strzok could’ve leaked tons of incriminating things to the press about the Trump Campaign/Russian contacts which likely would’ve swayed the election against Trump.
The President and his minions main argument against Strzok is he’s treasonous and he wanted to “stop” him from being elected. My main point is if that was the case, he did absolutely nothing in his power to stop Trump from being elected.
Is this logical train of thought too much for you to digest? Go ahead and watch another hour of Fox to calm down.
Easy answer is that he was not as smart as he thought he was. If he had any brain at all, he knew there was no “there” there, and he was busy trying to impress his girlfriend. On official FBI devices, I might add.
I agree that it is treasonous to try and impress your girlfriend. She will lock something up.
Hope all is well, Sally! Please post more often if you are able!
“Leaders: Study the history of leaders. Discover what occurs when a regime uses scripture in an attempt to justify cruel, inhumane treatment of others. It is stunning, a great lesson for our era, and for the future of our progeny. You and I have an obligation to know these things.” — Bill Curry as quoted in the AJC’s “Politically Georgia”
Question: What would the US do about another country separating American children from their parents at its border when there was an issue with documentation until the other country were fully satisfied?
I hope this spurs a study of history. Something that many fundamentalists fail to recognize is that the bible has been used to promote evil and satan knows bible verses better than you ever will.
Dave, I believe that no political leader should use the Bible or the Koran or any religious text to further their political agenda. It’s that separation of church and state thing.
To your question, the hypothetical you describe would most likely not be actionable by the US, other than to issue a travel advisory for Americans. Whether one or millions of Americans were to illegally enter another country, they would be subject to the laws of that country.
Were millions of Americans to illegally flood another country, it would be considered aggression, an act of war to disrupt that nation. In the current reality, Mexico is acting as a hostile government by not controlling their own borders and allowing the flood of foreign national migrants illegally into the US. We should not be forced to even discuss how to handle this nightmare created by the country to our south.
I agree that Mexico should use force to prevent anyone from migrating or seeking asylum. It doesn’t sound like a 100% violation of human rights to restrict the free movement of people.
And if other countries were separating migrating American families, or jailing migrants, of course the US would engage diplomatically to end the practice and achieve a resolution. We don’t let countries just do what they will with American citizens.
Great idea…let’s see who’s lyimg!!!
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/tony-perkins-sessions-dna-tests/
Where’s the love, Bill?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5862413/Bill-Clintons-son-slams-former-president-defending-migrant-children-abandoning-him.html
Baby jails:
https://apnews.com/dc0c9a5134d14862ba7c7ad9a811160e
I seem to remember this is not the first time Republicans have advocated for forcibly separating children from their parents. Newt Gingrich was advocating children be forcibly removed from their parents not due to abuse or anything else but because Newt did not like them and put them in an orphanage.
Which FBI Goober goes to jail first!? I’m betting McCabe…
Hard to guess, Noway. McCabe, Comey, Strrzok, Page, and whoever those “Agent Number __” are in the IG report are all in the running. God only knows who else will come out in the second IG report!
Lol!
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/national/article213508754.html
Libs don’t really care about the border kids or anybody but themselves.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/32069/schumer-says-hed-rather-keep-focus-trump-solve-joseph-curl
It’s totally and only about getting more dependent voters. Nothing rlse!
If/when you guys read articles- and you want to know facts and not opinion- then just read the actual quotes, not the spin and opinion that surrounds them. That’s if you want facts and not a validation of opinion. Because the actual quote is that Schumer just thinks Executive action would be faster than legislation. Turns out he’s right.